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Puddin' Man
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Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:10 am Post subject:
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'94 TBird LX V8, 61K mi., ethylene glycol antifreeze
I've never been much for additives, 'tho I throw a jug of
fuel injector cleaner in the tank every so often.
But I don't keep up with automotive stuff.
Guy at the muffler shop sez a Lucas antifreeze additive
will prevent water pump wear/failure. He couldn't remember
the name of the stuff.
Is an antifreeze additive a good idea? If so, name a
good product?
Thx,
Puddin'
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Spike
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Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:10:55 GMT, Puddin' Man <Pudding.Man@Gmail.Com>
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| Quote: | '94 TBird LX V8, 61K mi., ethylene glycol antifreeze
I've never been much for additives, 'tho I throw a jug of
fuel injector cleaner in the tank every so often.
But I don't keep up with automotive stuff.
Guy at the muffler shop sez a Lucas antifreeze additive
will prevent water pump wear/failure. He couldn't remember
the name of the stuff.
Is an antifreeze additive a good idea? If so, name a
good product?
Thx,
Puddin'
Have not tried it but there is a "water wetter" from, I think, STP, |
which has been supported by trade magazines, and a separate write up
indicated that it does aid in cooling. But nothing said about reducing
wear or failure of water pump.
There is also a product which I'd have to research the name of, which
independent reports say is an outstanding, never needs replacing,
coolant. For my car it would run about $65. Still, no mention of
preventing wear or failure of the water pump. Although it is warranted
to do no harm to the engine.
Snake oil?
Spike
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40
16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial
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Backyard Mechanic
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Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:00 am Post subject:
Re: Antifreeze additive |
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Red Line Water Wetter.
Used it in my mustang which had a habit of slowly going towards overheat
in traffic, cured that: needle remained right on the money from that
point on, also claims additional lubricant, and since that's their
primary business....
http://www.redlineoil.com/products_coolant.asp
Read the tech info (requires Adobe reader)
Available at Pep Boys, for one.
Spike <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in
news:mpgbk1pa3lijr9rl6rgrqda67fb0qp0joc@4ax.com:
| Quote: | Have not tried it but there is a "water wetter" from, I think, STP,
which has been supported by trade magazines, and a separate write up
indicated that it does aid in cooling. But nothing said about reducing
wear or failure of water pump.
There is also a product which I'd have to research the name of, which
independent reports say is an outstanding, never needs replacing,
coolant. For my car it would run about $65. Still, no mention of
preventing wear or failure of the water pump. Although it is warranted
to do no harm to the engine.
Snake oil?
Spike
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40
16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial
225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.
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Puddin' Man
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Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:29 am Post subject:
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That's it. I think I'll give it a try.
Much Thanks,
Puddin'
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 03:00:26 GMT, Backyard Mechanic
<pettyfog@yaywho.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Red Line Water Wetter.
Used it in my mustang which had a habit of slowly going towards overheat
in traffic, cured that: needle remained right on the money from that
point on, also claims additional lubricant, and since that's their
primary business....
http://www.redlineoil.com/products_coolant.asp
Read the tech info (requires Adobe reader)
Available at Pep Boys, for one.
Spike <jma@snowcrest.net> wrote in
news:mpgbk1pa3lijr9rl6rgrqda67fb0qp0joc@4ax.com:
Have not tried it but there is a "water wetter" from, I think, STP,
which has been supported by trade magazines, and a separate write up
indicated that it does aid in cooling. But nothing said about reducing
wear or failure of water pump.
There is also a product which I'd have to research the name of, which
independent reports say is an outstanding, never needs replacing,
coolant. For my car it would run about $65. Still, no mention of
preventing wear or failure of the water pump. Although it is warranted
to do no harm to the engine.
Snake oil?
Spike
1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior; Vintage 40
16" rims w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A gForce Radial
225/50ZR16 KDWS skins; surround sound audio-video.
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Shawn
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject:
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"Puddin' Man" <Pudding.Man@Gmail.Com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | '94 TBird LX V8, 61K mi., ethylene glycol antifreeze
I've never been much for additives, 'tho I throw a jug of
fuel injector cleaner in the tank every so often.
But I don't keep up with automotive stuff.
Guy at the muffler shop sez a Lucas antifreeze additive
will prevent water pump wear/failure. He couldn't remember
the name of the stuff.
Is an antifreeze additive a good idea? If so, name a
good product?
Thx,
Puddin'
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whenever I replace a waterpump in a vehicle, Autozone tries selling me a
bottle of stuff you add to the coolant thats supposed to prevent the pump
and bearing from premature failure, i dont remember the name of the stuff
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lugnut
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:23:44 GMT, "Shawn"
<askme@aserversomewhere.com> wrote:
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"Puddin' Man" <Pudding.Man@Gmail.Com> wrote in message
news:hh8bk15sqvp93ahi6qs2fkk0dbv6vmn6j9@4ax.com...
'94 TBird LX V8, 61K mi., ethylene glycol antifreeze
I've never been much for additives, 'tho I throw a jug of
fuel injector cleaner in the tank every so often.
But I don't keep up with automotive stuff.
Guy at the muffler shop sez a Lucas antifreeze additive
will prevent water pump wear/failure. He couldn't remember
the name of the stuff.
Is an antifreeze additive a good idea? If so, name a
good product?
Thx,
Puddin'
--
whenever I replace a waterpump in a vehicle, Autozone tries selling me a
bottle of stuff you add to the coolant thats supposed to prevent the pump
and bearing from premature failure, i dont remember the name of the stuff
though
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Whatever they are trying to sell, it won't make any
difference to a water pump bearing as long as the seal
holds. The lubricant helps lube the ceramic seal which
keeps coolant from getting to the shaft bearings. The shaft
bearings will probably last as long as the grease remains in
them. These lubes do help because many water pump failures
are a result of coolant weepage getting to the bearings over
time. I have used the anti-corrosion additives which
include a water pump lube every year in my own vehicles for
years. It is my annecdotal experience that it helps reduce
corrosion in the system and reduces the need to flush a
cooling system. I have never had a freeze plug rust thru or
anything like that. My engines that have been pulled down
for overhaul have never exhibited significant corrosion or
scaling nor have I ever replaced a radiator because of
corrosion or scaling. I did have to replace a couple of
Ford heater cores over the years. I only replace the
coolant if the system has to be opened for other repairs
which has been rare. I routinely run these vehicle over
100k miles. My current F150 is over 200k, the CV over 140K
and the Sable over 70k with no problems. Others before well
over 200k.
Lugnut |
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Puddin' Man
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Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:41 pm Post subject:
Re: Antifreeze additive |
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:58:36 -0400, lugnut <lugnut@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:23:44 GMT, "Shawn"
askme@aserversomewhere.com> wrote:
"Puddin' Man" <Pudding.Man@Gmail.Com> wrote in message
news:hh8bk15sqvp93ahi6qs2fkk0dbv6vmn6j9@4ax.com...
'94 TBird LX V8, 61K mi., ethylene glycol antifreeze
I've never been much for additives, 'tho I throw a jug of
fuel injector cleaner in the tank every so often.
But I don't keep up with automotive stuff.
Guy at the muffler shop sez a Lucas antifreeze additive
will prevent water pump wear/failure. He couldn't remember
the name of the stuff.
Is an antifreeze additive a good idea? If so, name a
good product?
Thx,
Puddin'
--
whenever I replace a waterpump in a vehicle, Autozone tries selling me a
bottle of stuff you add to the coolant thats supposed to prevent the pump
and bearing from premature failure, i dont remember the name of the stuff
though
Whatever they are trying to sell, it won't make any
difference to a water pump bearing as long as the seal
holds. The lubricant helps lube the ceramic seal which
keeps coolant from getting to the shaft bearings. The shaft
bearings will probably last as long as the grease remains in
them. These lubes do help because many water pump failures
are a result of coolant weepage getting to the bearings over
time. I have used the anti-corrosion additives which
include a water pump lube every year in my own vehicles for
years.
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Which did you use? The Red Line Water Wetter?
Does it matter which?
Puddin'
| Quote: | It is my annecdotal experience that it helps reduce
corrosion in the system and reduces the need to flush a
cooling system. I have never had a freeze plug rust thru or
anything like that. My engines that have been pulled down
for overhaul have never exhibited significant corrosion or
scaling nor have I ever replaced a radiator because of
corrosion or scaling. I did have to replace a couple of
Ford heater cores over the years. I only replace the
coolant if the system has to be opened for other repairs
which has been rare. I routinely run these vehicle over
100k miles. My current F150 is over 200k, the CV over 140K
and the Sable over 70k with no problems. Others before well
over 200k.
Lugnut
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lugnut
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:03 am Post subject:
Re: Antifreeze additive |
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:41:13 GMT, Puddin' Man
<Pudding.Man@Gmail.Com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:58:36 -0400, lugnut <lugnut@bellsouth.net
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:23:44 GMT, "Shawn"
askme@aserversomewhere.com> wrote:
"Puddin' Man" <Pudding.Man@Gmail.Com> wrote in message
news:hh8bk15sqvp93ahi6qs2fkk0dbv6vmn6j9@4ax.com...
'94 TBird LX V8, 61K mi., ethylene glycol antifreeze
I've never been much for additives, 'tho I throw a jug of
fuel injector cleaner in the tank every so often.
But I don't keep up with automotive stuff.
Guy at the muffler shop sez a Lucas antifreeze additive
will prevent water pump wear/failure. He couldn't remember
the name of the stuff.
Is an antifreeze additive a good idea? If so, name a
good product?
Thx,
Puddin'
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I have used the Prestone and Zerex additives w/o stop leak.
NAPA has also had a decent product. I usually dump in a
dose every fall when I check the antifreeze protection. I
also use alkalinity test strips to check the ph of the
coolant as this is one of the key properties to prevent
corrosion. If the ph is out of spec and the additive does
not correct it pronto, the coolant needs to be flushed and
the system checked again in a few days just in case there is
a head gasket failure in progress. This may be a headsup
for head gasket failure. Again, this is just my experience
over a few dozen vehicles that I have owned and operated for
personal and business use over the years. I have never used
the water wetter type products even though I have a 351CJ
that tends to get a bit feverish in traffic sometimes.
Lugnut
| Quote: |
whenever I replace a waterpump in a vehicle, Autozone tries selling me a
bottle of stuff you add to the coolant thats supposed to prevent the pump
and bearing from premature failure, i dont remember the name of the stuff
though
Whatever they are trying to sell, it won't make any
difference to a water pump bearing as long as the seal
holds. The lubricant helps lube the ceramic seal which
keeps coolant from getting to the shaft bearings. The shaft
bearings will probably last as long as the grease remains in
them. These lubes do help because many water pump failures
are a result of coolant weepage getting to the bearings over
time. I have used the anti-corrosion additives which
include a water pump lube every year in my own vehicles for
years.
Which did you use? The Red Line Water Wetter?
Does it matter which?
Puddin'
It is my annecdotal experience that it helps reduce
corrosion in the system and reduces the need to flush a
cooling system. I have never had a freeze plug rust thru or
anything like that. My engines that have been pulled down
for overhaul have never exhibited significant corrosion or
scaling nor have I ever replaced a radiator because of
corrosion or scaling. I did have to replace a couple of
Ford heater cores over the years. I only replace the
coolant if the system has to be opened for other repairs
which has been rare. I routinely run these vehicle over
100k miles. My current F150 is over 200k, the CV over 140K
and the Sable over 70k with no problems. Others before well
over 200k.
Lugnut |
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Puddin' Man
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:31 am Post subject:
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Much thanks (again) to Lugnut for very useful info.
Cheers,
Puddin'
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:03:51 -0400, lugnut <lugnut@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:41:13 GMT, Puddin' Man
Pudding.Man@Gmail.Com> wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:58:36 -0400, lugnut <lugnut@bellsouth.net
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:23:44 GMT, "Shawn"
askme@aserversomewhere.com> wrote:
"Puddin' Man" <Pudding.Man@Gmail.Com> wrote in message
news:hh8bk15sqvp93ahi6qs2fkk0dbv6vmn6j9@4ax.com...
'94 TBird LX V8, 61K mi., ethylene glycol antifreeze
I've never been much for additives, 'tho I throw a jug of
fuel injector cleaner in the tank every so often.
But I don't keep up with automotive stuff.
Guy at the muffler shop sez a Lucas antifreeze additive
will prevent water pump wear/failure. He couldn't remember
the name of the stuff.
Is an antifreeze additive a good idea? If so, name a
good product?
Thx,
Puddin'
--
I have used the Prestone and Zerex additives w/o stop leak.
NAPA has also had a decent product. I usually dump in a
dose every fall when I check the antifreeze protection. I
also use alkalinity test strips to check the ph of the
coolant as this is one of the key properties to prevent
corrosion. If the ph is out of spec and the additive does
not correct it pronto, the coolant needs to be flushed and
the system checked again in a few days just in case there is
a head gasket failure in progress. This may be a headsup
for head gasket failure. Again, this is just my experience
over a few dozen vehicles that I have owned and operated for
personal and business use over the years. I have never used
the water wetter type products even though I have a 351CJ
that tends to get a bit feverish in traffic sometimes.
Lugnut
whenever I replace a waterpump in a vehicle, Autozone tries selling me a
bottle of stuff you add to the coolant thats supposed to prevent the pump
and bearing from premature failure, i dont remember the name of the stuff
though
Whatever they are trying to sell, it won't make any
difference to a water pump bearing as long as the seal
holds. The lubricant helps lube the ceramic seal which
keeps coolant from getting to the shaft bearings. The shaft
bearings will probably last as long as the grease remains in
them. These lubes do help because many water pump failures
are a result of coolant weepage getting to the bearings over
time. I have used the anti-corrosion additives which
include a water pump lube every year in my own vehicles for
years.
Which did you use? The Red Line Water Wetter?
Does it matter which?
Puddin'
It is my annecdotal experience that it helps reduce
corrosion in the system and reduces the need to flush a
cooling system. I have never had a freeze plug rust thru or
anything like that. My engines that have been pulled down
for overhaul have never exhibited significant corrosion or
scaling nor have I ever replaced a radiator because of
corrosion or scaling. I did have to replace a couple of
Ford heater cores over the years. I only replace the
coolant if the system has to be opened for other repairs
which has been rare. I routinely run these vehicle over
100k miles. My current F150 is over 200k, the CV over 140K
and the Sable over 70k with no problems. Others before well
over 200k.
Lugnut
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